spnamvet68 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:09 AM:
" LUIS PLANCARTE! YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE WORD POLUTION NOT EIR. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IF EIR SAID IT'S OK! THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY POLLUTION? WHRE IS YOUR INTELLIGENCE LUIS? "
dgriggs77 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:08 AM:
" rvidrio hit the nail on the head... if we lose out to mexicali, not only will we lose the jobs and the revenue to the county, but the trucks will still be coming through the imperial valley to get there. so NOT allowing liberty to come into the valley is actually more of a loss to us than if they come. also, the gold mine landfill project seems like just as much of a health concern, if not more! so what you're saying is it's ok for them to dump their trash on us, as long as they don't dump their poo on us. i'm no scientist but poo seems a little more natural to me. "
m_mtz40 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:51 AM:
" We have enough problems with the New River, Salton Sea, pesticide overuse, cattle dung, etc. Keep your sludge in your own area, make your plant happen where you are. Do not come to dump it on us! If this plant produces more environmental problems in this area, the consequences will be enormous. Further, if it comes to us from a neighboring state, the same goes! EIR or not!!! You are abusing/raping an area that already said no! No means NO!!! "
bermudezfamily wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:56 AM:
" Hey, Monique, reminds me of that movie "3:10 to Yuma." thanks for history lesson. "
joselopez wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:36 AM:
" Right-on Bermudezfamily. Keep feeding the general public the facts to counter the lies and deception tactics being used by Wilson Nolan and Gary Wyatt. A majority 0f County residents have spoken out against the sludge yet Gary Wyatt continues to ignore voice of the people. Time for Wyatt to be removed from County politics. "
bermudezfamily wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:12 AM:
" We won fair and square... despite blatant lies, PR schemes, and wretched community buyouts. A victory for our children's health -born and unborn!! Of course, there will always be sore losers. When "we" lose, that is "us" not "them," we must quit and let "them" railroad us into thinking about all those things we could've done to win. Not any more, sir. We can't afford to lose and think about "should'ves." Soon, it will be too late. We learned well over the past few years. We learned that there are processes, like CEQA and NEQA that are setup usually for those who will profit; a mere smokescreen to convince us that we can participate. Fortunately, as Americans living in California there are several other legal processes that give us a few more options to protect ourselves. The money-hungry corporations who prey on us just view EIRs as hoops to push aside or red tape to drive right through. Heck, the EIR evaluators are in on it too! They advertise about how they'll "push" your controversial project through the EIR seamlessly to ensure success. Pay the right price and it'll go through. It's corruption at its finest. As for Liberty’s EIR, it needs to start over just like it did in Canada this last year because the project is a biosolid incinerator NOT a biomass power plant. Liberty and the IID started the project off illegally from the beginning. Liberty, time to call it what it is and STOP deceiving the public, STOP cheating, and STOP the sludge; figuratively and literally!
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wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:07 AM:
" Interesting comparison with electoral college delegates. However, this analysis of the process is definitely mixing political apples with oranges. Also, the Electoral College was not implemented in order to ensure representation to less populated areas. “They wanted to remove the choice of the President from the hands of the popular majorities and to place the responsibility in the hands of select body of wise outstanding and virtuous citizens—as they clearly saw themselves, a cynic may add. The main source of the standard view seems to be the Federalist No. 68 written by Hamilton.”- Robert Dahl; “How Democratic is the US Constitution” Many scholars and political scientist believe that the electoral college is a very UNDEMOCRATIC practice and leads to unequal representation of voters. (but I won’t get into the specifics here….please read Dahl’s book to completely understand)Moreover, direct democracy, as envisioned by Hiram Johnson, is seen as a HIGHLY democratic process and more adequately represents the majority. One form of direct democracy comes in the form of the ballot initiative. Do you know why Johnson saw this as necessary? It was because big railroad companies had been buying out politicians to push their projects further despite federal and state laws that were on the books that were suppose to protect the people. Therefore, he put democracy back the in the hands of the people. Measure X is democracy, decision making, back in the hands of the people. "
rvidrio wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:35 AM:
" If LibertyX will still pursue building the Sludge Plant, let us all remember it was mentioned that it would be build accross the border in rejected by Imperial County officials and/or residents. This means sludge STILL moving in our community. And no measure can STOP this. IT may be restricted, but not STOP.
And then we elect presidents that promise to stop "job exportation".
Second: why not Measure was placed in the ballot for the proposed conversion of the Gold Mine into a garbage land field? How come no controversy? How come no activity to prevent the county to become a trash-depository? Too far from urban areas?
Stuff may fall & filter into the underground. This may be affect back to us somehow.
A Land Field is not productive as a Generation Plant, in revenue, in number of jobs created and in number of jobs preserved, long lasting.
Lets think about it. "
bermudezfamily wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:32 AM:
" Furthermore if the IID is participating, as we know they are, they are in violation also. "
rvidrio wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:21 AM:
" The election of a President is based on electoral delegates, not by direct majority, to ensure a representation of remote, less populated areas against a misleading majority of urban places. without this, most presidents would be elected by the wishes of the Coastal areas. Mid-continental areas (including Imperial County) wishes would not be included.
The MeasureX results are based on direct majority count. For the size of the County, a referendum based on "electoral delegates" WILL NOT be practical, but a 67%-Yes vs. 33%-No does not reflect the wish of the entire community. Non-participants in the voting process (voters leaving blank the option, absenteesm or Resident Aliens that cannot vote) are not counted for.
Too bad for them (all of the above mentioned)? YES, shamme or pitty. Still, does not reflect the wish of the majority.
MeasureX was placed on the ballot without the famous Environmental Impact Study Report.
If MeasureX was intended to prevent spills & spread of germs, infections and all that stuff some fear, we already have measures to prevent & repair such events: EPA, OSHA, Health Codes & Regulation from Fed, State and County.
MeasureX should been placed on ballot after the Impact Report. "
bermudezfamily wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:16 AM:
" This is the same company who said that if they violate EPA rules, they will shut down. This is exactly why the EIR has no bearing on the process. Liberty will continue to conduct illegal business dealings. Time for all of IMPERIAL VALLEY to stop this insanity. How nice it would be if we all (including the board) stood together in unity to protect our residents from this predatory corporation. "
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wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:11 AM:
" Yes, it is up to the county to enforce the ordinance. And as the project stands right now, it is in violation of the ordinance. "
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wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:06 AM:
" The current project description by Liberty Energy states that they will need to import 200 truck loads of sludge, biosolids, per day from outside of the county to operate their plant. Therefore, the current project description violates the new county ordinance which does not allow this act. Our community must see that this ordinance is enforced. Furthermore, it is time for our Board of Supervisors to represent the majority of their constituents. "
ricocafe99 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 7:42 AM:
" I am confused about the measure's purpose...does it have the teeth to stop the sludge plant from moving forward or was it just to gauge the opinion of the people? Is it now up to the County to enforce the people's wishes and not issue building permits etc? Is the County governement required by this vote to halt the plant and then protect itself from any Liberty or property owner lawsuits? "
oleskool wrote on Feb 7, 2008 7:05 AM:
" yesterday I said to relish the moment that we won the battle but not the war, well with this latest salvo from Liberty and Placante, no word from supervisors. What can you expect, "sounds like the fox protecting the hen-coupe." Seems that our supervisors are in hiding at their local eatery talking about football? "
ThinkAboutIt wrote on Feb 7, 2008 7:04 AM:
" “Our focus has always been on the (environmental impact report),” Plancarte (Liberty Energy) said.
I still seem to recall that Liberty said if the community didn't want them here that they wouldn't come. I feel Measure X results show that the community doesn't want them here. "
